There was some recent discussion about CPF in my chatgroup that got me thinking about CPF SA topups vs SRS Contributions.
As you guys might know, I previously emptied my OA into my SA, as well as did a cash topup, the idea being that I'll let the government give me more interest than the cash I put in over the long term. I'll look at contributing another 9k across the years, and that's pretty much it.
My OA will be used to finance my future home, at most I'll probably either chuck the excess into the SA from OA or use the OA to invest if the option still exist by then after the house is fully paid and when I no longer have a use for the OA funds stuck there.
This post is mostly some thoughts I have, so feel free to discuss more, I believe there are many things I have overlooked and have not considered.
I'm thinking that we are looking to game the system, or in JRPG terms, optimise and stat max the character (which is "me", in this game called "Life"), so that we get the best character at the end.
CPF
- 5% on the first 40k (60k if your OA is empty)
- 4% on the remaining of the account
- Acts as a pseudo-"bond" that yields 4% and is AAA rated.
- Policy Risk (i.e. changes in CPF)
- Illiquid, once the money goes it, it cannot be taken out
- Allows Tax savings
- Topup capped at 7k per annum (for tax relief), once the Full Retirement Sum is hit, no more topups allowed
- CPF LIFE kicks in at 65, for life
- Payout is not taxed
- Limited options to invest the SA for higher returns
- Can be used as a high interest fixed deposit when you are close to age 55 and have fulfilled the MS (From XL)
- If you are slightly going into another tax bracket that hikes your taxes significantly, SA Topup could help
- If one is less tolerant to volatility of equities and only places the cash in fixed deposits for retirement, it could be an idea
SRS
- No interest, the returns are purely based on the individual ability to generate returns
- More Liquid, however, if withdrawal before 63 is done, there's a
- 5% penalty, and
- 100% of the withdrawal is taxed
- Allows for Tax Savings
- Topup capped at
$12,750$15,300 per annum (Thanks Anonymous!) - Withdrawal "payout" kicks in at age 63, over 10 years
- By the age of withdrawal,
you have to liquidate your investment positions to withdraw as cashyou can transfer out your holdings as "withdrawals" and preserve your holdings (Thanks Alovefororange!), find out more here. - By end of 10 years, if you still have investments left inside, it will all be liquidated to cash and deposited into your bank account (and taxed, if applicable).
- Tax 50% of withdrawal per year
- SRS can be used to purchase, stocks, bonds, funds, insurance and even annuities
Note that SRS is unable to participate in Rights Issue(Thanks yvvuj)- Not kept in CDP
- Can be used to drop a tax bracket much easier due to the 12k cap
- At today's taxation rates, if one hits 400k by 63 and have no income, one can withdraw 40k per annum, get taxed at 50% (which is 20k), which means you get it tax free.
Some thoughts against both
Do also note whether the tax savings for your own use is actually significant.
Especially for those in the lower income bracket. It seem to make a significant difference when you can drop one bracket or just in the higher income bracket (especially the 80k bracket onwards, which I definitely do not qualify).
We are also assuming although tax savings are part of the total return, do we actually reinvest the "returns" from tax savings? Or do it make us feel that we have more excess funds to spend?
Also realise that your capital gains and dividends which increases the size of the SRS account, will be taxed (generally), compared to using cash to invest, which is not taxed.
You can't retain the stock/bond positions that you keep in the SRS account.
One could technically keep cash as "warchest" in accounts such as OCBC 360, UOB One, CIMB Fastsaver, Fixed Deposits and SSB, but you get no tax deferment/relief.
In hindsight, perhaps I should have performed half of my OA to MA and the remaining half to SA instead. Perhaps, my extra 9k worth of SA topups should be directed to the MA instead. Maybe even my PSEA account -> OA -> MA.
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A side note, it seems that the CPF LIFE Basic Plan is the best overall plan (though Standard is the default), someone did a comparison here.
Hmm, so whichever one I qualify by retirement, will be BRS/FRS/ERS -> Basic Plan.
This also makes me wonder, is CPF the best annuity out there (in terms of benefits) in Singapore's market, perhaps someone would do a comparison as well (Sunday Times just illustrates the payout only here).
But it could be a hard one as CPF does not require a sales team, so one less cost (though they might hire actuaries instead), and no shareholders unlike various insurance companies (less the government/nation).
What do you guys think?
Do discuss!
Update (03 Dec 16): Cai Haoxiang has written a good article on it here as well.
Update (04 Dec 17): Edited to clarify topup cap for only tax relief
Hi there, "Note that SRS is unable to participate in Rights Issue" is not true, I have SRS account and have participated in both rights and preferential offer. You just have to do it through your bank, just like what you will do with your CPFIS.
ReplyDeleteHi yvvuj,
DeleteThanks for clarifying!
I had that impression as OCBC SRS page kinda confused me, one section wrote:
"List of SRS-approved stocks
For purchasing of SGX stocks using SRS funds, kindly check with your agent bank on the list of approved SRS stocks prior to order submission.
Note: You are not allowed to use SRS funds to purchase rights. In the event you have purchased rights in your SRS account, your SRS trades will be revoked to “Cash” settlement which will be subjected to the normal settlement rules of trade date + 3 market days."
And another part:
"Rights entitlement
You can use your SRS funds for rights subscription provided that you have sufficient SRS funds and have not reached your SRS contribution cap if you are going to top up your SRS account. Kindly contact your SRS agent bank directly for more information.
If you are entitled to rights in your SRS Account and wish to sell off the rights entitlement, please take note to:
a) Provide us with your SRS Account number
b) Select “SRS” mode for your sell order"
Kinda confusing.
But I'll go and amend the post! Thanks!
Just a curious question, how are you finding the SRS now? Are you reaping significant rewards from the tax savings?
I speak from experience (my SRS acct with DBS) - some years ago during a REITs rights issue, I was issued some rights, which I could exercise/subscribe to as I had enough cash balance in my SRS account (or I could top up and not exceed the yearly contribution amount). However when I tried to buy the same rights under SRS, the dealer called me and said "sorry, you cannot buy rights, pls pay cash"
DeleteHi Serendib,
DeleteNow that is confusing. So if you pay cash, it counts as an SRS contribution? o_O Or does it goes into your cash positions?
hi yvvuj,
ReplyDeletewhich bank you save your SRS? How you do it for right issue? Need to call bank or can do it through ATM?
Hi, "By end of 10 years, if you still have investments left inside, it will all be liquidated to cash", I heard this is changed already?
ReplyDeleteHi Ah John,
DeleteThis is what I could find, do you have a link for that info? SRS might be indeed worth it if you can keep it instead of liquidating for cash :)
Yes, it has changed. you do not need to liquidate it since last year. You can find out more from MOF "http://www.mof.gov.sg/MOF-For/Individuals/Supplementary-Retirement-Scheme-SRS".
DeleteSRS withdrawals in the form of investments
Previously, all SRS withdrawals must be made in cash. Where savings in an SRS account have been used to acquire investments, the investments must be liquidated before the sales proceeds can be withdrawn in cash from the SRS account.
From July 2015, SRS members will be able to apply to their SRS operators to withdraw investments from their SRS accounts without having to liquidate their investments.
Hi Alovefororange,
DeleteThank you for clarifying!
Makes it sound like a sweeter deal now :)
I'll go check it out :)
hi,
ReplyDeletenice blog...
btw, if u empty your OA to SA... how are going to finance your future home?
"Topup capped at 7k per annum, once the Full Retirement Sum is hit, no more topups allowed"
this 7K top up is for which account? all 3?
MA and SA, they are both 4% right? so it shouldnt matter which account you top up?
Hi Foolish Chameleon,
DeleteThanks :)
I don't really have a home to purchase in the near term at the point I performed the transfer.
What I wanted to do was to transfer ~5 years of CPF contribution from my degree salary, so I would hit the FRS faster using solely my SA. So my OA account in the future will be the account to finance my home completely (if I get excess, could use it to cover my house payment earlier, or to be kept as buffer in case the FRS increase more than my extrapolation of 3.5% pa).
I have stopped contributing to my SA since the transfer+topup, looking at 4 years of work to BTO as a couple or 8 years of work to BTO myself.
My scenario is my own, so YMMV.
The 7k topup is purely for SA per year (for tax relief), you could contribute more but there's no longer any tax relief. Voluntary contribution is another issue. But my focus of this post is trying to compare which account gives a better balance of liquidity and tax relief, also noting whether it is significant or not.
I considered the SA as I just wanted to make sure I have enough funds to live my retirement in case, my investments turn out terrible (I can only know in hindsight), so I won't go hungry.
I'm considering to topup the MA instead of SA (I wanted to empty my OA into MA previously, so that all excess contributions to MA will be directed to SA, but it didn't seem possible, yet I found out recently I could do it).
Might screw up my calculations, so KIV for me.
Also do note that the MA cannot be withdrawn at age 55 unlike the SA. I guess it depends on your needs too.
Sorry for the long reply.
Hi,
ReplyDeleteYou mentioned "Topup capped at $12,750 per annum" for SRS. This is incorrect.
From 1 January 2016, the annual SRS contribution cap will be increased to:
(i) $15,300 for Singaporeans and Permanent Residents; and
(ii) $35,700 for foreigners.
Hi Anonymous,
DeleteAh, my mistake, thanks for telling me!
Updated my post :)
> SA Topup capped at 7k per annum,
ReplyDeleteThis is wrong. It is capped at FRS-SA. 7k is only for tax relief.
> MA Cash Topup (up to 7k per year)
This is also wrong. It is capped at Annual Contribution Limit ($37,700 currently) - Mandatory Contributions, or BHS-MA, whichever is lower.
Hi Anonymous,
DeleteI was looking at only amounts that would reduce tax, which would be part of the returns. Topping up beyond it, at least to me, might not be worth it.
Sorry about that, will clarify my post. :)
The MA portion is still wrong as the contribution/tax relief can be more than $7k.
DeleteSo sorry about that. I have double checked from IRAS. I must have read it wrongly, remembered seeing something like that somewhere.
DeleteUpdated post to correct it. Thanks!